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I really loved to read the latest posted messages.
Really interesting and
food for thought

if we reply this guy's posts we are responding exactly how he want us to respond. Lets not give him a motive. He is trolling us.

We need some cheering up down here

The gravediggers wedding

Not to deny you your (or anyone's) own personal experience; you're right Dale, I do reduce it all to science.. and feelings/sensations are hormones washing through the meat puppets we are. That doesn't mean they do not exist, but just puts it into perspective.

I too have had a couple near death experiences, lights and bliss on the horizon.. no fear.. almost a beckoning. I can get a similar experience with recreational drugs. There is a theory that religion was started by an enthusiastic eloquent person who inadvertently ate a mushroom (muscara is stated as the culprit) or something and started telling everyone his trip "that was more real than this life", and was called a prophet or a kook. Each one of them as far as I can tell were high or tortured some way (Paul fell off his horse and became christian) that changed their point of view. The drug theory of religious origination seems the most plausable. Contemplation of Saint Sabastian is a good example. Being a tattooist, I have many aquaintences (way too many) who are into the piercing/pain Holy hole-y Fakir trip. They contend its like a LSD trip without the "poison".. shudder.. I don't doubt them, hanging from the ceiling by hooks, but they give me the creeps. I'll take the acid thanks.

LOL, I find it amusing when we here in the west cartoon the arab with a big scimitar chopping heads, but when it turns to photographs and video it somehow becomes too real and no longer fun-ny. Then there is that Vlad the Impailer thing I was born into, and I love the French (!) too much to sign off on the whole process. The united states owes much to, and caused the French Revolution and The Terror. There may not be a usa today without it actually! You'd all be canadians LOLOL How lame is THAT!?! So heads rolling is nothing new as per Anne Bolyn et al. We all use that term lightly, ne c'est pas? My Mongol ancestors created tall piles of heads that rotted to skulls that one could follow from Bahgdad to Tashkent to Karrakorum. How can one enjoy Molly Hatchet album covers, or Conan except by blocking the reality behind the image?

Perhaps, its a symtom of the firearm. If we all used sabers as weapons, rolling heads would not seem as disturbing. It does not phase the japs one iota. There was a time when bullets were considered immoral since you may not see your victim face to face, unchivalrous! And then there is the MACHINE gun for mowing down men like wheat. Now, esp with TV, we all like clean kills where we don't get dirty or bloody.. that's Better!?!?! And american war coverage is soooo censored that its abstrat, almost noble, and makes ya wanna join the heroic military... not knowing what war really is. The reality hits when the suicide of vets become news, or when a returning vet beats his wife, or becomes a pissed off cop or security guard that we all must obey. I can see you as Indy Jones shooting that guy with a sword and saying, "don't bring a knife to a gun fight.".. like the injuns did and look what happened to them. We are much more civilized now.. LOL. I personally prefer either to nuke every single muslim population center all at once with no warning now; or conquor it, depopulate it and take it forever by whatever means. That would help the world economy for sure, and then we can get started on the next group, until we have One World.. muhuhahahaha!
You all have a great day!

Ian Paul wrote:

We need some cheering up down here

The gravediggers wedding

LOL... wrong topic.. we started with "commanding ppl to eat shit... " where does one go from there? ROFL

WELL... we don't get down and eat the vicar's lunch... that's for certain.

Know somethin'? You replied, about my near death experience, with exactly what I felt you would. Same theory, anyway.

Hard to say, what's real sometimes. When you can "see" and feel everythng, it's another matter entirely. But, as when I was much younger, no acid trip could ever compare. Maybe todays acid is like the pot.. much stronger. Dunno... and don't want to anymore. Egad.. I doubt I'd survive something stronger than the Window Pane... 4 hits in one.. that we used to do. Yeah..lol.. think I'll stop there, before the green Oscar Meyer Wiener comes back and gags me again... or the hood of my truck rippling along merrily, as I drove... egad!!

Only problem with nuking anyone, is that it's just such a waste of everything. Personally, I'd rather look them in the eye as I wipe the hate right off their face and send them to the 14 Nuns with shotguns that await them.

Dale wrote:

Only problem with nuking anyone, is that it's just such a waste of everything.

Tactical nukes.. enough for mecca and its suburbs. Artillary shells, not planet wide thermo-nuclear devices. Even Neutron Bombs, that only kill living things but leave everything intact would be great. Nerve gas would do the job too, but even a firecracker would set off a stampede as has happened and will happen again. The old B52s and what the yanks did in Nam and Laos would probably work too. LBJ would have had no problem with giving the order. The Russians I know would help us, especially in Chechnya and their southern flank. And the good thing is an overall bilateral reduction in nukes by them and us.. it just becomes a method of disposal.

The only problem with taking out mecca, is that you miss killing the women who are the actual breaders of the jihad. They are usually left out of the "Final Solution" regarding jihadists due to ethical concerns. But if we all saw breeders as scum, it would really help. Its what war, every single war is ACTUALLY about, dehumanizing the other side. They congregate for the most part in bug-like colonies, so its just a matter of mapping out the hit zones, and except for the bleeding hearts, most people already feel that the other side is scum, on BOTH sides so I think that part of the equation is moot.

Do I sound elitist?... Good!

The main problem is that ALL jihadists are civilians, and their M.O. is to use that fact to sway public opinion against military action. If however, a muslim was seen as a potential combatant, which they are, then wiping them out would indeed be the fix.. like the 19th century injun problem. An LBJ, a U.S.Grant, a Billy Sherman, and a Georgie Custer would make a happier, less religiously fanatic society. This is no different than a muslim seeing the weak underbelly of western society and using it as the main source of attack.. LIKE THIS FORUM. They use freedom of speech against itself, like a niggah rapper. Or use democracy to install a dictatorship like Algeria did with the French.

Interesting note, that this blurring of distinction between civilians and military troops is rather like the Original SA and SS. The Waffen SS were military,but the rest were really civilians in (cool) uniforms, separate from the Army, and better suited to carry out what the Army refused to do, very similar to jihadists. If jihadists and the vicar of christ were seen as muslim SS.. this would all be over in 4 years.

You can blame our flaming LIBERALS on the probs with terrorists, that we are currently enjoying. And there are liberals in every society.

What's scarey, is I'm agreeing with you and not trying to be racist or anything like that. I could give a poop what color a person's skin is. It's not relevant to anything. You treat me as I treat you & vice-versa... we all get along fine.

With our current administration, trying to turn the US into a socialist country, taking over businesses, etc., we are headed down a dark path that will doom our country. I know, Tiger, that you've held a disdain or hatred of the US for a long time and you know I can't apologise for what it was that turned you against us. However, I do want you to remember that not all of us are the same as those that hurt you or caused you to leave.

There have been miserably bad people in our higher offices, for so long it's just pathetic. But there's a movement happening now and we are trying desperately to get our government to go back to our constitution as it was written and INTENDED.

As long as we are filled with liberals and fools voting party lines, simply because they have forever, we will remain in this dark hole, spiraling deeper.

We need a revolution, if we are ever going to stop all this New World Order crap and stop the muslims from taking over the US, by yes... using freedom of speech itself, to tear us apart further. I've never seen this country as divided as it is now. And it's sickening.

As for muslims in the US, I trust none and proudly wear my Infidel shirt as often as possible. Some may call me racist for that, but it's not racist.. it's the total disgust for a religion that preaches death to all infidels, which we both know Islam does, indeed, do. Americans, a large percentage, refuse to look at truth, when it's placed right before them.

Liberals always blame someone else for the problems. If a criminal kills someone, they immediately break out their hankies, start bawling and crying for the criminal, saying he was "abused" or "spanked" or raised in a poor family...or... infinite excuses. And they do this for the muslim cause also, refusing to believe reality.

Liberals and muslims both, need to stop their lies, live their own lives and let others live as they choose. And anyone, any religion that espouses sawing heads off, killing your wife for showing her face or something stupid, like that... needs to go, if we are to ever have a semblance of peace anywhere on the planet.

Yeah, I'm aware of what ignorant people did centuries ago, along Christian lines. Let's face it, they just weren't as educated as most people are, today. Mistakes have always been made.. and I'm not making excuses for them... they were mistakes.

I do believe in free choice. We were all given that as a "natural" right. Some societies disbelieve that and assume complete control, brainwashing their people, keeping them ignorant through many methods and not just through religion. That's why I hate organized religion of any kind. If a Christian religion started preaching the hatred for others and the beheadings of their own brand of "infidel", I'd as soon hate them as I do the Islamic radicals. A radical is a radical is a radical. Period.

Ahhh.. I'm tired, esnips ain't fixed yet. I think I'll go to the mods forum, gripe a bit and go read.

Take care, sir.

Dale wrote:

not all of us are the same as those that hurt you or caused you to leave

oh yea? Schizophrenia? Dale, don't be scared, just get off the fence.
Islam is Conservatism, especially Wahhabi, good old fashioned idealism with all the weapons to back it up. Islam is a good example of a return to abrahamic conservatism in the face of christian liberalism. Democracy is a Liberal movement in every sense of the word "Everybody is equal before the Law" is a liberal Greek precept.. Christianity is liberalism, ask any priest of Mars or Astarte or Pharaoh or a Rabbi.. Jesus was and is still a liberal jew. RCs are conservative next to Lutherans and they look conservative compared to bible thumpers who think they are conservative compared to atheists, but its all liberal relativism. All those who railed against the realm and started the movement to end monarchy, Diderot, Rousseau, Jefferson, Franklin.. all the phiolsophes, all liberals... George III and all the Hanoverian and Tudors and Plantagenets before them..conservatives through and through. Royalists are THE conservatives, and compared to them, yank republicans are a revolutionary Bolshevik mob. The USA is a liberal state, founded on liberal philosophy by activist militant liberals.. and a few leftist conservatives like Hamilton and Adams, but not a single Longshanks among them, and anyone who was, was a traitor to the liberal independence movement. Your talk of revolution is liberalism Dale.

The problem of the terms liberal and conservative is that it has become a RELATIVE label. My family is Hapsburg and we define(d) conservatism and why I don't buy some unwitting liberals (like Dale) telling me what conservatives are since it is a liberal definition. Napoleon was in fact a Liberal, esp with his idea of public education!!! Schools/education for everybody?!?!?! crazy. But his idea of hero worship with his picture and the flag in every classroom.. brilliant and copied by everyone since, it became conservative... but I know better.

Yank "conservatives" are in fact just liberals who are just a little more conservative than the democrats they decry, almost like Bolsheviks vs Decemberists. The greatest sworn enemy of communism is in fact the Nazis, and they really did hate those liberals and fought them more than anybody in history, even more than "the west." and it destroyed them. How noble was that? I won't go so far to say they were conservatives because they were the National Social Democrats Party, BUT they were a lot more conservative than John Birch (me dad was a Bircher) or the KKK, shining examples of true yank conservatism, unlike today's truly pathetic "republicans". What made Nazis liberal (the only thing really) was their treatment of the primary conservatives in Europe: jews, and wanting education and healthcare for all patriots, HA!

From my own experience, today's modern conservatism died with Bill Buckley whom I adored. Now yank conservatives are simply "liberal light" and degenerated to just being less liberal than the democrats. They may be a little louder, and a little more fanatic, but they are still liberals posing as conservatives in my feudal eyes. Wanting the constitution applied like it originally was, blindly ignoring the whole male suffrage and land ownership thing in order to vote (no illegal aliens here boss) and owning a slave and a musket now redefined as just assault weapons and indeed ANY weapon.. but letting go the slaves issue.. hmmmm, letting go the slaves issue..that's liberalism. Its definitely Marxism LOLOLOL. I hate liberals and I want my slaves back again. Some countries still have slaves and they hate that western/liberal pressure to stop LOLOL. Lincoln may be seen as a liberal for the slave thing, but the first concentration camps were for injuns, and he was not stopping any extermination process on that front LOL. Perhaps liberating the injuns and exterminating the blacks, or at least shipping them all back would have made the history books more like an ethics lesson instead of a lesson on how NOT to do things. Monroe did try to ship'em back and made a country for them, Liberia, they just were not as thurough as the SS were.

Here is true conservatism: Go out and conquer. Take it forever from them (whoever) and make it yours. In this sense, Islam is more consevative than the west. Here in fact is the problem with yank conservative foreign policy: its schizoid conservatism and its very liberal while calling itself conservative!!!?! Stoning women is conservatism, giving them a vote or just thinking them as equals is liberal thought. I have always held that the US should have invaded Canada when the CCCP attacked Finland and Poland, ignored Europe, and then conquered/"liberated" everything EVERYTHING south. I can't stand wishy washy liberals who think they are conservatives simply because they whine about what the democrats think.. Dale, you and my wife are self professed conservatives.. BUT she still loves both Bushes and that stupid actor president and his dopey wife no matter what. She's Cuban and loves Palin-like republicans and hates democrats no matter what since they are Fidel's dupes. As for me, I never vote because its a liberal vice, and shun anyone who does. Do any of you conservatives take responsibility for the last administration and if so, how many of you have killed yourselves for what you've done by voting?.. I feel all republicans should have their voting rights removed AT LEAST, and use a little of the old original selective application of the constitution like a real conservative. LOL Samurai were conservatives, you so called conservatives are just posers. The old joke was democrats were their own worst enemy.. moreso now for republicans n'est-ce pas, voting in a string of idiots has ruined their credibility just like corrupt kings eventually destroyed monarchy. ..or morons like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh destroying Bill Buckley's legacy.

The last true liberal president who did the right thing, Andy Jackson. He could easily win the republican nomination nowadays, and would never get a democrat endorsement, especially a black or injun or latino one, ..just to prove how relative the modern definition of this term is. One cannot be conservative without being elitist first and foremost, it is the basis of conservative thought. Also, don't listen to uneducated people like that moron bush, and learn what Fascism is by that idiot's definition. Islamofascist??? that's like military intelligence, oxymoronic.

Facism is the extermination of socialism and the take over of corporations to become a corporate state.. returning to the original Roman ideal of republic. Wiki: Facism comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology and a corporatist economic ideology. Fascists believe that nations and/or races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in conflict against the weak. Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state. Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement. Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept. It is conservative patriotism for and by patriots; anyone else, look out.

sound familiar?... redefine what it is that you are scared of. Embrace whatever you are, but totally understand the whole picture and the historical facts. To me, being a christian is like being a nazi nowadaze, lets forget and forgive the past since they don't do all the attocities any more. ..yea, right. They just THINK them and shout it out, but seldom act cuz its illegal (defn. schizophrenia). Passive aggressive. I can't be one just because they are the enemy of my enemy. I have ethics. It's OK to call yourself american, an injun killing, nigger slaving, liberal from the getgo.. but now, like a butterfly, a conservative who is equal to blacks and latinos in every way.. ROFLMAO

I'll bet you'd argue with me, if I said,"Have a nice day.", wouldn't ya?

Well, you and your wife must get along famously, by your own writing. However, it is true that opposites do attract.

There is some truth in what you write, my friend.... or not...but, my definition if being a conservative is more of a "Rebel" philosophy. But, with your attitude, you'd probably read William W. Johnstone's "Ashes" series and decry all of it, for one reason or another. However, your wife might love it.

Ben Raines, leader of the Rebel Movement, developed a near perfect nation, in this fictional account about an "end of the world" nuclear war and the people rising from the ashes, trying to rebuild our once great nation. You should read all 32 books and then, you MIGHT understand my philosophy of life.

I am an equal opportunity politician hater. They are all corrupt, no matter where, or what nation. So, don't lecture me on what you think I believe in. Please, sir, use that obvious intelligence of yours and put yourself beside someone, rather than always above them. You truly haven't a clue as to my belief system. I do not fit yours or anyone else's terms or definition of liberal or conservative. And.. you truly do not understand what type of liberals I speak of. If you read Bill's books, you'd have a better understanding, but I seriously doubt you'd read his books, because you are already above all of everyone you talk with.

Quit trying to just piss me off and talk sense, if you are going to talk at all. Quit GENERALIZING. Just because you think you know all there is to know about America and it's citizenry, I think you know less than you speak of, sir. Granted, there are tons of ignorant folks here... of all colors and backgrounds. That's how that asshole Obama got elected. And HE, sir, is a facist for certain. So are the democraps and repukelicans.

You, sir, are a bleeding heart liberal, yourself. Decrying the use of weapons to defend one's self or one's family. You'd subscribe to the removal of weapons from ALL people, who legally own them, giving ALL power to the criminal element, from governing bodies to the lowest rapist. It's people like yourself, who have disarmed nations, so that their government can become totalitarian dictatorships. The people can protest, but only as long as they can find rocks to toss at the dictator's military.

Ahh.. some nights, speaking with you, is a waste of my time and only gives me a head ache. I don't think you want to get along with anyone.

Tell your wife to read William W. Johnstone's Ashes series. She'll love it and you might even learn something of who I am.

Have a nice day, sir!

Dale wrote:

I'll bet you'd argue with me, if I said,"Have a nice day.", wouldn't ya?

Not argue, debate. And there would be no debate with your views, or vicar's if there was agreement. We do not go on about what we agree on (like our hatred for jihadists) just what we disagree on (that moslems are no different than christians since they are both exclusive hate groups based on nonsense from invisible beings.)

Dale wrote:

Well, you and your wife must get along famously, by your own writing. However, it is true that opposites do attract.

There is some truth in what you write, my friend.... or not...but, my definition if being a conservative is more of a "Rebel" philosophy. But, with your attitude, you'd probably read William W. Johnstone's "Ashes" series and decry all of it, for one reason or another. However, your wife might love it.

Ben Raines, leader of the Rebel Movement, developed a near perfect nation, in this fictional account about an "end of the world" nuclear war and the people rising from the ashes, trying to rebuild our once great nation. You should read all 32 books and then, you MIGHT understand my philosophy of life.

Conservatives are rebels...hmmm Not in Rhodesia! (poor fate) We had posters back at the academy in England to Be a Man Among Men and join the Rhodesian Commandos and if not for marrying the head nurse at sick-bay I would have gone on safari to hunt sub-human liberals as defined by the government.. How fun is THAT! Just one of my regrets in life was not joining...sigh.

Quite frankly, I'm about as interested in your philosophy as you are in mine, without a doubt. I'm still reading Satre and Aristotle and Hume.. better fiction, LOL. After digesting and memorizing much of Aleister Crowley over thirteen years, I swore never again to read light literature until I finished ALL the classics first. I do not get my definitions of the English language from works of fiction, however I contend that its a mistake to think that English and American are today the same language. 'av a fag mate? LOL So your definition is more than likely correct in your circles, although its not universal. It an american fault to think that they set the definition of anything, other than what an american is; like it matters.

Liberals will grab whatever weapon they can to overthrow Republics, even stones and rakes and votes. The republican/national guards will use the best weapons they have to keep the liberal mob in place (Kent State, May 4th 1970). Weapons are not a consevative vs liberal device universally, and again I contend that in your circles it might be. Weapons are a device of militancy, both conservative and liberal, neither side can claim exclusivity. Yanky liberals who want to totally disarm, are merely changing weapons since they can't shoot worth a damn or are too law abiding and chicken and use politics instead of a .45 cal. ..but there are plenty of exceptions to the rules to make any rule redundant.

Dale wrote:

I am an equal opportunity politician hater. They are all corrupt, no matter where, or what nation. So, don't lecture me on what you think I believe in. Please, sir, use that obvious intelligence of yours and put yourself beside someone, rather than always above them. You truly haven't a clue as to my belief system. I do not fit yours or anyone else's terms or definition of liberal or conservative. And.. you truly do not understand what type of liberals I speak of. If you read Bill's books, you'd have a better understanding, but I seriously doubt you'd read his books, because you are already above all of everyone you talk with.

I get that alot, LOL. I remind people that I look all individual people straight in the eye as total equals, but only the same insomuch as we are different and unique, equally unequal if you will. I do NOT contend that great minds think alike at all. To me that's absurd. Great minds have unique thoughts that others inculcate and ..evangelize. As I have written before, months ago, if anyone thinks I'm talking down to them simply stand up straight and stop looking up my nose. I said individual people.. but once they speak for a group like moslems or christains or americans or liberals or some herd mentality.. I treat them as part of the herd that they willingly claim to be a part of. That's not me looking down at all, that's them getting on their knees and wanting me to join in, or submit (which in arabic is pronounced islam) LOLOL

Liberal vs conservative... this is rubbish as both sides are part of the same equation of western politics. Its the problem of 2 parties, they are just one party away from facism (the real definition) and 20+ parties, that can't get a damn thing done, from a democracy. And with a dichotomy, there is nothing but polarity, yin and yang, eternal conflict. Independants and libertarians are a joke since they too are also left or right.. a useless system of definition that insures eternal problems. It does point to the fact that IF the dems disregard the reps, then a state of virtual facism exists, or like the last admin, if the reps squash the dems, then a virtual facist state is in control.. see? One party in control is facism, neither conservative or liberal but both and niether. Having one party, is practcally the same as one party in charge and the other one castrated.. although the hari-kiri of republicans of late.. one can hardly fault the dems for taking facist advantage LOLOL. Like the dems should help the reps back up to 50% so the system doesn't seem facist, LOLOL

Dale, do you vote? Have you voted? Do you take responsibility for perpetuating the politcal class/system you hate? I contend that if not one single person showed up to vote for ANYbody "representing" them, there wouldn't be an Obama or Bush.. or a Hitler or Stalin, all voted in by a bunch of idiots. The problem is 15% do vote, call it a landslide, and disregard all the non-votes as redundant instead of a vote not to fill that office. Henry Ford said, "You can have it in any color as long as its black.".. same goes for politics and religion. The choices all seem the same, all bad, all somebody else's idea of how we should be ruled. Conservative, liberal.. I see no difference. I suspect anyone who would call themselves either. I certainly would not grant them the right to "authorize" an armed cop to keep Me in place.

Dale wrote:

Quit trying to just piss me off and talk sense, if you are going to talk at all. Quit GENERALIZING. Just because you think you know all there is to know about America and it's citizenry, I think you know less than you speak of, sir. Granted, there are tons of ignorant folks here... of all colors and backgrounds. That's how that asshole Obama got elected. And HE, sir, is a facist for certain. So are the democraps and repukelicans.

You, sir, are a bleeding heart liberal, yourself. Decrying the use of weapons to defend one's self or one's family. You'd subscribe to the removal of weapons from ALL people, who legally own them, giving ALL power to the criminal element, from governing bodies to the lowest rapist. It's people like yourself, who have disarmed nations, so that their government can become totalitarian dictatorships. The people can protest, but only as long as they can find rocks to toss at the dictator's military.

I know all I need to know and then some, about yankeedoodleosophy/istory, for me, just as I'm certain you (all) know what you need to know for you too, otherwise you and I would not be who we are, even that asshole vicar. I am not recruiting anyone to be on my side of the debate. In fact, just the opposite, don't agree, get your own opinion and reject mine as unique to me, that's all I ask. I'm not here to win.. that would be futile since there is nothing to win. I am an existential anarchist and a nihilist and a thelemite to boot, a sociopth by every definition. One would be crazy and should be scared to agree with anything I say (as you've stated

and with my philosophy of no god.. I can answer the question of , "So what's the point." with "There is no point, the question is absurd" which in itself is absurd to people of faith. I have none.

As for the military aspect, I was an officer in the Royal Naval Reserve. I love guns and don't confuse them with sidearms and assault rifles. I have a sailor's swagger and a bit o' british snobbery about lubbers. My republican wife hates "guns" and I had to get rid of all my firearms 26 years ago. My winchester collection, my weatherby, and my burkowitz: charter arms .44 spl. She equates firearms with Fidel. We "jack tar sailors" have songs about spanish ladies so I still have my main gun primed and trained. Most important to me, is that she has a family CREST, and like me is of noble birth. NOT important to you lot, but that's what makes her special in my eyes, and probably the reason you look up my nose, LOL. She is a special.ed teacher and has her own conservative reasons NOT to have anything to do with "guns".. I hate that term applied to sidearms...grrrr. I make up for it playing CoD2 3 hours a day, instead of TV. LOLOL Stalingrad is a much better forum than here on this topic.

Everyone should own a firearm, even a nuclear or biological weapon, indeed a stockpile, just like a government assumes it should. No difference whatsoever, there are kooky governments just like kooky people. It would not take long to fix all problems... I'm a lot more conservative than you think, and not conservative enough not to be confused with a liberal.. the lables just aren't sticky enough to stay put on my philosophical slime. Kinda like the juice squirted on the surfaces that causes stealth aircraft to be invisible. shhhh. If one removes more applicable lables (like anarchist) then the ill fitting ones sorta work, but not perfectly. Like me seeing you as a liberal, not as an insult, but as a revolutionary, and you balking at the mere thought of it. Or you using liberal as an insult, even if it doesn't totally apply.. Anarchist does fine thank you as it is neither and can be both depending on who's running the show. I don't want anybody ruling me, anybody. And I'm not joining anybody who's out to help me, they are just as bad.

Dale wrote:

Ahh.. some nights, speaking with you, is a waste of my time and only gives me a head ache. I don't think you want to get along with anyone.

LOL, That's because you think there is a point, when in fact there is NONE. Chill, say your peace, and accept whatever comes, even another slew of vicar quoting lies from one book to disprove lies from another book. Don't be disappointed by the outcome when its obvious to see where its all going.. I'm not. I have too many LOLs to consider this a waste. I'm amused at worst.

Dale wrote:

Tell your wife to read William W. Johnstone's Ashes series. She'll love it and you might even learn something of who I am.

Have a nice day, sir!

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."
BTW, which DOES NOT mean do whatever you want... different topic.

You do have a way with words. But tonight, I thought I'd just let you know I've read your last post. You are an interesting individual, for certain. May I ask your age, Tiger? Just something I've wondered about and nothing personal. You may even private message me, should you like.

Perhaps tomorrow, I'll come back and add more, but am changing meds and believe I'll call it a night, right soon.

I agree, that whether we agree or agree to disagree, is moot. Your concepts do interest me, or I wouldn't keep coming back. And, I don't mean to insult you, for I do see that you are a gentleman of obvious intelligence and different life. A different life... each of us.. leads us many directions and teaches many things. Some learn. Some don't.

Take care and "nobody" be with you! LOL.

Dale wrote:

May I ask your age, Tiger? Just something I've wondered about and nothing personal.

And, I don't mean to insult you, ..

53yo, born in Chicago, military school 4-8th, then Nautical College Pangbourne 1970-74, USMM 90-96. Insult me? HA! Impossible. I'm a sailor, and insults are love songs between shipmates, and the more hard work put into crafting the insult, the more it is appreciated and insures a return broadside of equal effort. Sailors were never PC and why they are fish-out-of-water ashore. Fire when ready. LOL.

Nahhhh!!! I've no use to insult or try to discourage your thoughts. Not that it'd make any difference, anyway. Right?

I could, however, call you a pneumonaltramicropicsilicavolcanosiosis. But I'm sure you already know that it isn't an insult. Not positive I spelled it right. Someone brought the definition along one nite. Can't remember the forum. Gave me a few chuckles.

Well, why not.. the thread's already jihacked. So, gofer it!!

Hope your day is good, young man. heh heh. I'm just about 5 years older than you, have done my military thing also and in general, am bored. So.. I eagerly await your next series of commentary.

Hey... keeps the forum moving, ya know?

Take care again. And "Nobody" be with you!

Aww shucks. Right! LOL. Too bad we can't get the vicar to trade insults instead of evangelizing like a baptist in salt lake shitty (to stay on topic) but I don't think the wanker has as a command of english, or yank, and it would amount to arguing with a 9yo asking "why" ad infinitum.

I made a mistake stating I cannot be insulted, I can, and christianity is an insult to my very foundation, and why I rail against it and all the rest too. And ppl who evengelize on behalf of an invisible and/or dead guy who didn't own a cell-phone and doesn't have a clue as to the new rules, called FACTS, ... well even when they are totally polite and nice and assuming some moral highground, they insult me with their unprovable mythic belief in the face of actual FACTS. I post here because it insults me and I, who never ever gives an opinion unless asked for, because of the insult, gives me in my little tiny world liscense to voice my singular opinion amongst all you ppl who believe in one allah or another.

pneumonaltramicropicsilicavolcanosiosis.. love greek..very christian LOL
spirit/air-very-small-(scopic?)-computer-huge hot explosion-disease...
ah.. the great thing is you can sorta figure out what is being said, and greeks have been correcting everybody who uses it since before saint paul, and why the "Bible Commands..yaddah yaddah.." is probably a bad interpretation of aramaic greek LOL.

Ultrapneumatic(=blowhard) electrosilicavulcanosis

ah the poetry.. vicar never got such a slew of email notices linked to such a rich source of opinion, something not allowed in islam, pick any page, LOL Indeed pick any religious text. How's that for a scriptural reference. Like a stage magician, "Pick a page, any page, step right up." all lies, all holy books from The Pneuma Elish, to the Constitution and Mein Kampf, lies to control masses of sheeple.

Hey vicar, If I say here and now "You go eat shit"... does that now make this puny forum equal to the bible in its scope and viability, especially at commanding stupidity. Snake is delicious, rather like eel, and it doesn't kill anything but the moslem in you.

The Pneuma Elish is the very first bible ever and from whom the jews (whos uniqueness was that they were monothiests) got their ideas and stories, back when they were captive in Babylon. Centuries later and under the influence of the Greek idea of Gods being invisible supermen, Jesus mixed that with monotheism and started his jewish cult, and almost 600 years later after that, that cult degenerated into the antithesis of the original Messianic promise of the Talmund, and so Islam was born in much the same way as Christianity.. all looking for a new/better interprtation of "THE RULES" and all based on the lies of previous religions. Only Science, and its total removal of unprovable supositions, was/is devoid of carrying on the original lie of The Pneuma Elish.. that god exists and the universe was created by it. That idea is an insult to my intelligence, and boy have I looked into finding the root of the cancer of faith called religion. BTW The Pneuma Elish is my favorite bible, predates the old testement by thousands of years!!!! and totally rocks. But I know Puzuzu (the daemon in The Exorcist) isn't real. It doesn't command people to eat shit, or submit, or any of that. It doesn't even claim to be the word of any of the gods it goes on about. Just an overal sense of dread and forces beyond anyone's control, and generations of vengence and future generations paying for their lineage. Cool scary stuff. Ia! Ia Tiamat! Ia Puzuzu! Ia Chaos!
"That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons, even death may die." Abdul Ahzred, the Necronomicon.