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I wish people would add their photographs to the folders marked photographs. All one sees are manipulated pics or cartoon-like pics. That IS NOT the art of Photography!!!!!!
Get with it people and share your ART!!!

I agree, a lot of non photo pics here, good but not photographs
Check my page out for real photographs, and the odd obviously manipulated image stated clearly as not to mislead the buyer.
My partner is Gary Barker, the online cartoonist for the BBC Politics Show website and would never dream of uploading his cartoons as photographs, totally different medium.

You can check out these links to see the difference.

For cartoons

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/politics_show/7183145.stm

For my photographs other than those on esnips.

http://babooshka.imagekind.com/

http://www.photoboxgallery.com/jkhardsphotography

Hope this will clear the difference up for people. Maybe esnips could have a community for images such as cartoons and photographs as photographs.

J

Thanx Babooshka,
I agree totally that Esnips members should state exactly whether the photographs are manipulated in any way or not. I might be a purist when it comes to photography, but that is what it is.....PHOTOGRAPHY............NOT PHOTOGRAPH MANIPULATION!!

I agree that tagging properly is an issue all through esnips. People tag or lable videos as Karaoke singing, when there's nary a tune on the video.

I'm not sure there's an easy answer to get people to lable or name things properly, when they are seeking views, obviously, by any means possible.

Then there is the user who really may not understand proper naming or tagging of their stuff.

Perhaps, as esnips grows and changes, a better tagging and naming system...more informative for the individual... can be developed, to help tag and name properly.

I've got a mixture . Only just joined, so the majority are over at www.flickr.com/photos/jpaul23/ still, but I can put music up here, which may be the main use for it.

Migz, I agree with you about tagging cartoons with the photo tag. I have a folder with manipulated photos, I have one of the tags as photo because they are photos even though they have applied filters and effects. By all means they are not cartoons or strictly graphics.
What urks me is a lot of photos in the photography community pages are not the persons uploading them. Most are downloaded from various web sites and they make a huge hit here because they are stunning. This morning I saw 75% of the uploads were animae and cartoon on the first page of the photo community.
Good luck on trying to change this.

I think it's fine to put a "retouched" or edited photo in Photography tag, as long as they use real photos as the elements. But !!! Please use photographs taken by your own camera, don't use other's, especially downloaded photos. Remember, we are photographers, not pickpocket.

I agree Mechanoid Angelwing, i am new to photography but surely there can't be many photographers these days, who only print & publish exactly what they snap. Even cropping a shot is editing it i think editing in itself is an art i am starting to think when i first take a shot how i may be able to enhance it.
I would never add other peoples work to my folders when they are tagged photograph.

Know something? This tagging thing has me thinking.

Again... we will probably always have users who post and link to every forum, just to get attention.

There IS a place where you can suggest new communities. If you see someone posting music in photography, you can politely mention in their folder that this has nothing to do with photography. The best thing to do is maybe alert esnips of a mis-tagged item? Or notify us here and we'll see if we can talk with the people and get the tags worked out and help them find different ways to get their stuff looked at.

If we all work as a team, we can get it done, over time. Methinks, anyway!

Thanx Dale.........I shall do this in future

Hi Dale i agree photography should mean something shot by a camera not graphics cartoons or anything else Photography is what is taken with a camera full stop

Totally agree with Al...thanx......short and to the point!!

Seriously doubt that there's any easy way to get tagging ever properly done...especially with site programming.

Another suggestion is to post to people privately and politely, that their stuff isn't really photography and ask if they'd be kind enough to change to animation, gif or whatever the subject consists of.

BUT... then again.... I'd personally hate for anyone to get into word wars with anyone, over the tagging issue... or any other, for that matter. Fighting about it all, just isn't worth it, to me.

I just went through some of my pictures that have been animated by some friends, and changed all the tags to just animation.... Even though they were photos of mine that were animated. One of the best ways to affect change is to try setting a good example ourselves.

I also realized how many members there are. Egad. If everyone were to complain to the mods or esnips staff, can we realize how long it would take to get an answer...much less a change? When ya have thousands of users, it takes mucho time to do individual responses to everyone, without having a major response center just for that.... kinda like those call centers in India you get, when ya call Microsoft or Dell. And we know how fun that is, trying to understand anyone who doesn't speak our own language clearly.

Wow! really started something here haven't you migz with this thread.

To me photography is the images that you take, digital or film, but photographed images. Re touching, cropping etc fine, but basically your images. Images robbed off the net and traded as your own are not. Catroons are not. They are a seperate medium, which deserve to be treated as such.
As i have stated before, i am the pohotographer, my partner is the cartoonist.
Our work is completely different, we work in different areas and sell to different buyers.

My partner is the cartoonist for the "bbc politics show" (gary barker) online website and all images he produces are hand drawn, scanned then uploaded.

I am the photographer, i use a didgital camera, compose my image, check setting,point, shoot, upload, print,

It is derogatory to both mediums to lump the 2 genres together. Again i say we need seperate categories.

Rant over.

j.

J, it seems so...........all I wanted to state was that cartoons and photogrpahy are 2 different genres and should be treated as such...............