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The Bible was written by men of God inspired by God so that many could read on the word of God. Some read on the word of God and they believed. In the Bible there are different words, there are the words of God himself, word of man and even the word of the devil(remember when the devil was tempting Jesus Christ). You mentioned that scientist could do cloning and all the other things, these guys have limits. But with God nothing is impossible.

rhema wrote:

YA, OF COURSE.... bible is the word of god. for the word of god is the truth which prevails forever. it doesnt change anytime. if u still doubt, trust the word once and you ll realise

cheers
rhema

The word of god changes with each generation to suit how society has changed. Once women were forbidden to even speak in a church. Gays would have been killed for stepping inside of a church. People were forbidden to seek professional medical care if they were christian for it showed a lack of faith in god. Thousands of children died and still do because of that ignorant teaching. People with mental handicaps were considered possessed by the devil and many illnesses were said to be caused by the devil. If you are goofy enough to tell a parent their child is ill due to demon possession, see how fast they slap you down. The bible teaches all these things. Divorce was forbidden and so was reading the bible!!! The bible is now in hundreds of versions that all have drastic changes. Go back and read the very old bibles pre-KJV and you will see what a drastic change has taken place. You have no idea what you are saying when you state the word never changes. Men change it every few years with a new version to suit the changing of the times. Bibles are just like religious denominations. There is one to suit everyone and their personal views. It is like 'Build a Bear' only this is 'Build a Bible' or 'Build a God'. Take what you like and ignore the rest. If that isn't enough, re-write it!

thaticova wrote:

But with God nothing is impossible.

grrr back to irrational debate..
And, correct me if I'm wrong: a Unicorn can dream of anything, even including that what you said is wrong and Unicorns can only dream of impossible things.
capitol letters mean nothing in OUR context...
or are Unicorns limited in what they can dream about? Like Amish buggies, any color as long as its black.
I made my point earlier about trying to prove or disprove an Irrational Statement. One can only reply in irrational terms, thereby defeating the purpose of trying to prove a point by being rational. Yet to speak to you religious people in terms you understand..
Your God must Love Satan, and Hitler, and Pol Pot as much as an aborted fetus and an aroused maniac with a coat hanger and a video camera, for to deny this as...Impossible would be to negate your premise by putting limits on your God's abilities to reconcile all possibilities, especially the gross ..and if there are some things your god cannot do, or won't do for whatever reason (its the same as "can't" at the G.O.D. stage of the game)... well kiddo, the whole "all-powerful" house of cards kinda comes down.... like being the "only" uncreated thing in the universe time line paradox.
So, who is the real "Big Bulldada" that limits what God is capable of doing and what he would never do and what he likes and hates and forgives and condemns, what he's sorry for and what he curses for all time and then changes his mind, and what he said and what she said or wasn't allowed to say, and while you at it, cut off that piece of skin if you think You know you Know... you Gnow? The answer is different for everyone of us and so cannot be understood, but as for narcissistic me, I just need to use my senses and my intellect to figure it all out. I don't expect those who exalt AND have more faith than intellect to even aspire to drawing near my own conclusions, quite the opposite, even if their intellect is superior to mine, I see them as lost. I also expect those with more on the ball, to possibly enlighten my own understanding of how the universe works. I would not ask a christian something I should be referring to a archaeologist or physicist about, unless I was interested in the actual depth of misunderstanding of the FACTS and reality a person can believe.. but I'm an elitist and I would never go to an idiot for an education or advice on how to run my life, since I don't think they are as good as smart people, and that's elitist. Heaven, intellect if you will, is for the few, not the masses.

...such is me being irrational. I'll now go back to not using absurdist terms like god and heaven.

So, if all things are possible with god, why can't he walk around in the dark of night without stepping in human feces????? If he knows all things, why doesn't he know where to walk??? And we are to follow him????!!!!!

"And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee: For the LORD thy God walketh in the midst of thy camp, to deliver thee, and to give up thine enemies before thee; therefore shall they camp be holy: that he see no unclean thing in thee, and turn away from thee." (Deuteronomy 23:13-14)

By this time Moses and his con men priests had put the fear of ‘Yahweh’ into the minds of this simple band of uneducated and superstitious savages. Whatever Moses and his band of merry men wanted the people to do, Moses would tell them the Lord said so. However, there seemed to remain a habit of them relieving themselves in the midst of the camp at night. I guess Moses and his spies got pretty tired of soiling their sandals and had to come up with a remedy to solve this problem. I can just hear Moses telling the priests “hey guys, I know what we will do! I will call the people together and inform them that the Lord will not save them from their enemies if they continue to make a mess and defile the ‘holy’ camp. I will also tell them the Lord walks around in the camp at night and it is not a good thing if he should step into a pile of poop. That should put the fear into them.” Then Moses and his partners in deception laughed and laughed.

Can anyone in their right mind believe that the force that created this entire universe would walk around in a camp of cheap thugs worrying about where he stepped? I am sure there is a stronger word than ridiculous for this story but I can’t think of one now. Just try to imagine Yahweh wiping his big god sandals to remove poopy. Did he wipe them in the sand, scream for Moses to bring a paper towel or just snap his fingers and zing, a new pair of god crocs appeared.

hushup wrote:

rhema wrote:

YA, OF COURSE.... bible is the word of god. for the word of god is the truth which prevails forever. it doesnt change anytime. if u still doubt, trust the word once and you ll realise

cheers
rhema

The word of god changes with each generation to suit how society has changed. Once women were forbidden to even speak in a church. Gays would have been killed for stepping inside of a church. People were forbidden to seek professional medical care if they were christian for it showed a lack of faith in god. Thousands of children died and still do because of that ignorant teaching. People with mental handicaps were considered possessed by the devil and many illnesses were said to be caused by the devil. If you are goofy enough to tell a parent their child is ill due to demon possession, see how fast they slap you down. The bible teaches all these things. Divorce was forbidden and so was reading the bible!!! The bible is now in hundreds of versions that all have drastic changes. Go back and read the very old bibles pre-KJV and you will see what a drastic change has taken place. You have no idea what you are saying when you state the word never changes. Men change it every few years with a new version to suit the changing of the times. Bibles are just like religious denominations. There is one to suit everyone and their personal views. It is like 'Build a Bear' only this is 'Build a Bible' or 'Build a God'. Take what you like and ignore the rest. If that isn't enough, re-write it!

if you think that it change as society change then how come the BIBLE remains the word of GOD???

A A wrote:

hushup wrote:

rhema wrote:

YA, OF COURSE.... bible is the word of god. for the word of god is the truth which prevails forever. it doesnt change anytime. if u still doubt, trust the word once and you ll realise

cheers
rhema

The word of god changes with each generation to suit how society has changed. Once women were forbidden to even speak in a church. Gays would have been killed for stepping inside of a church. People were forbidden to seek professional medical care if they were christian for it showed a lack of faith in god. Thousands of children died and still do because of that ignorant teaching. People with mental handicaps were considered possessed by the devil and many illnesses were said to be caused by the devil. If you are goofy enough to tell a parent their child is ill due to demon possession, see how fast they slap you down. The bible teaches all these things. Divorce was forbidden and so was reading the bible!!! The bible is now in hundreds of versions that all have drastic changes. Go back and read the very old bibles pre-KJV and you will see what a drastic change has taken place. You have no idea what you are saying when you state the word never changes. Men change it every few years with a new version to suit the changing of the times. Bibles are just like religious denominations. There is one to suit everyone and their personal views. It is like 'Build a Bear' only this is 'Build a Bible' or 'Build a God'. Take what you like and ignore the rest. If that isn't enough, re-write it!

if you think that it change as society change then how come the BIBLE remains the word of GOD???

The bible is NOT the word of any god. What kind of god orders the rape of little girls and what kind of fool would follow such a god??!! There are thousands of religions and holy books and they are ALL manmade and worthless. Eventually the truth about the Dead Sea Scrolls will all come out and you people will be shown up for the idiots you are. It wasn't until 1991 that most of those scrolls were released, by force, for all scholars to examine and what is being found is not what the church has told you. Read the Dead Sea Scroll Deception and learn something. Many of the original translators were catholic priests who later left the church and priesthood and married due to what they found in those scrolls. All of these men also developed a problem with alcohol. Jozef Milik and Geza Vermes were two of them....look them up! You do know how to research don't you? The team editor for 40 years, John Strugnell, had one drink too many before a live interview and stated that the religion of those scrolls was HORRIBLE! He was fired for that and the lying RCC is doing what it does best, deceiving morons. John Allegro was the most gifted and much published translator who wrote the book The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth and also the book that made the church howl and they destroyed him and his career for, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. The scrolls given to him to translate proved christianity and judaism were both drug and sex cults. Back then the church could ruin you for telling the truth but Allegro is now being vindicated and many other truthful translators are coming forth and proving him correct. There is still a portion of the scrolls that the church refuses to release and they must really be bad according to what now is known. How do people get to this age of knowledge and still remain in the dark ages? Do you ever read? BTW Einstein, if you were an Arab the Koran would be your word of god. If you were Hindu the Vedas would be your word of god and so on and on. It all depends on where one is born and what the religious culture and doctrine of that society is. It is all a lie.

As far as I can see bible chronicles the amazing life of Jesus and so many other stories on related topics. Historians agree that someone named Jesus lived in Nazareth somewhere in Europe. it is still debated as to whether or not Jesus was in the Lineage of Solomon - the great king.It is still being debated as to whether Solomon himself lived or not. Whether bible is Gods word or not cannot even be a subject of debate as bible was written by man and even modern man cannot contact God or no one can ever prove or disprove Gods existence. but the actual core of the matter here is that bible cannot be trusted completely as much of it ; as is said by scientific researchers - can be the figment of human imagination. Anybody asking for an example, well the miracles in bible have been far exceeded by the miracles in Harry Potter.

If almost all bible said was true then why doesn't the Catholic church allow a verification of its verifiable facts?

. Why does it actually ban science from taking up the matter of bible? Why does it forbid questions like these? Is it afraid that the truth will come out?or is it because of some "god-given ultimatum"?

Binnu wrote:

As far as I can see bible chronicles the amazing life of Jesus and so many other stories on related topics. Historians agree that someone named Jesus lived in Nazareth somewhere in Europe. it is still debated as to whether or not Jesus was in the Lineage of Solomon - the great king.It is still being debated as to whether Solomon himself lived or not. Whether bible is Gods word or not cannot even be a subject of debate as bible was written by man and even modern man cannot contact God or no one can ever prove or disprove Gods existence. but the actual core of the matter here is that bible cannot be trusted completely as much of it ; as is said by scientific researchers - can be the figment of human imagination. Anybody asking for an example, well the miracles in bible have been far exceeded by the miracles in Harry Potter.

If almost all bible said was true then why doesn't the Catholic church allow a verification of its verifiable facts? . Why does it actually ban science from taking up the matter of bible? Why does it forbid questions like these? Is it afraid that the truth will come out?or is it because of some "god-given ultimatum"?

hey!
do you believe in BIBLE??

No I don't believe in it.

Binnu wrote:

No I don't believe in it.

which holy book do u believe / follow ???

A A wrote:

As per you BIBLE is just a history book, then what is the holy book for christian as per you ?? or from which source (Authentic) you are get to know about christianity ??

well,if you let yourself be acquainted to people who are anti-christ or maybe you yourself is an anti-christ then you let yourself believe that the bible is just a history without recognizing its importance to the people who believe in it.
We christians believe in this bible,its a holy one you know.
It is somewhat similar to a Koran in a way that it is a holy history of their religion and of there faith.

A A wrote:

As per you BIBLE is just a history book, then what is the holy book for christian as per you ?? or from which source (Authentic) you are get to know about christianity ??

well,if you let yourself be acquainted to people who are anti-christ or maybe you yourself is an anti-christ then you let yourself believe that the bible is just a history without recognizing its importance to the people who believe in it.
We christians believe in this bible,its a holy one you know.
It is somewhat similar to a Koran in a way that it is a holy history of their religion and of there faith.

Mmmmm... I dunno - Still trying to figure out what it is you would say to someone like me who's of an Agnostic religion???

A A wrote:

Binnu wrote:

No I don't believe in it.

which holy book do u believe / follow ???

I don't believe in any holy books, but i believe that God exists and one day science will find out 'Where' and 'How' God is. I know that God exists because there are many questions which are still unanswered, for example
Who created planet earth and other planets of the universe? Who created humans? Who created the vibrant colors of nature? Who created the human brain? The list is extremely long. Science will answer it one by one and some day - if mankind lives long enough we will know the truth. What I am trying to say is that if bible is the word of God and if God is all seeing all knowing and inconceivably powerful then why do people need to be converted into religions? if Jesus was God or Jesus's father was God then all God would have to do was to change the human mind as to accept God as the God. If Allah was God then all Allah would have to do is the same if Buddha or Jain was God then any other world God figure was actually a God then their holy books would have been the book for all humans but there is a dispute - which isn't in keeping with the all controlling power of God. So let all those who believe in a God know that their god figure is not greater and that God is just a concept to answer all unanswerable questions till science answers them and nothing more. I am not an atheist to the exact sense of that word. I believe that god exists and I don't believe in any God with a name and epic story or miraculous history about them.

If your question pertained to my religion - i was born a Hindu (Hinduism) but now I consider all Hindu epics as fantasy tales like Hansel and Gretel. If there is any truth in any epic then it is just an account of some human's life on earth mixed with folk exaggeration (as i would call it). It can never be the "life of god" simply because God wouldn't have to live on earth to show human beings that God exists and that one particular person is God.