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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 29/02/2008 13:35:48
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it's a case found since years n years about struggle to existence between tow nations in one land n it continuous until today .... but beside the struggle n the fights between the two sides , rarely or at late time u heard from the world any comment after many n many were killed.... am talking about israel- palestine struggle... n specially the latest events which babies n children becam the victims of regardless of the siege of gaza.... http://www.esnips.com/user/GazaCity[/color]
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 24/03/2008 23:48:50
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I find it very interesting that you would come to an Israeli owned website and condemn them. And yet, they allow you to post your messages of hatred toward them.
The Israeli people have given even the Arab communities living there, more freedom than they would have in their own country, but yet they speak down to them, just as you do.
If you detest the things going on in and around your country, why do you NOT promote a true peace? All your people's do is continue to demand the death of every Jew in the world.
I, personally, hate to see death and destruction anywhere. But, I also humbly suggest that your "side" is not as innocent as you would have us believe. And I am not so ignorant of history, myself. I can read! I can see with my own eyes! But then again.. I guess I am just another of those hated Americans, that you all happily protest against. We... who have helped more nations on this planet, than any other country in history. You'll all happily take our dollars, then cry about what horrible people we are.
If I had MY choice, your words of hatred would be countered with facts and images of death from the Israeli's side of things.... or your account deleted.
But, since I love my Israeli friends who own and operate this website, I will refrain from going any further, seeing as they who are your sworn enemy, freely continue to allow you to use their website against them.
In the interest of peace for all... I'd suggest more politeness all around. Kindness begets kindness. Hatred only grows.
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 25/03/2008 11:27:04
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Well , at first am thankin u for ur comment, and next maybe u don't know wht actually going on cauz it's known around the world that wht u see or hear from ur media is just something wouldn't be mentioned.. ( half of the truth n less) n i don't hate anyone but when someone hurts u , u gonna talk about it withall u have, n u talk about peace... i wish like u if this word has any effect on the land, but we just lying at ourselves if u believe of it.
( when something is taken from u forcely ... wht u gonna do except protect it and defend for it...) n who told u that arab in israel are treated equaly as the israeli is treated... ....
no one can hate u except u have done somthing wrong or bad ( put this in front of u .. this we learned.. . and again wht u know is less more than half of the truth.... n i won't comment about deleting my account..
it's hard for us to hate ... haterd somthing bad won't solve anything ....
we r people we can feel n cry even.....]
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 25/03/2008 14:58:00
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I have no doubts that you and the Israeli peoples are just that... humans. I feel misery for both sides. I feel misery for any people who's government doesn't treat their people the way the human being's rights, given by our Creator, should be treated.
As for looking only at my media, sir, I do not only feed my knowledge from them. That would be pretty ignorant on my behalf. I research all over the internet, via forums, via chatrooms where multiple nationalities meet and exchange thoughts... and angers. I DO, and always have, tried to look at both sides of an issue, before making my own judgement.
I apologise for my comment about deleting your account. I admit, that was wrongful thinking on my behalf... and knowing that I need to work on "forgiveness" for all that I consider "wrong" in this world. We ALL need to work on forgiveness, if we ever expect there to be a true peace. Are we agreed?
I, like a great many others, are competely fed up with war and hate..no matter where it is going on. I only wish the peoples who are hating each other, would toss away that hate... whether it be because of nationality, race, religion or whatever. Hate is NOT productive and any rational person needs to learn that.... and fight against it. Whether it be from your perspective or the other side's perspective.
Personally, I don't care what your religion is. I don't care what anyone's choice of religion is. But, wars over religion, race or even other human frailties, is wrong.
The ONLY way this world will see peace, is if everyone ( inluding myself learn to stop hating; learn to stop FORCING our religious beliefs on everyone else.
And... yes... babies have been killed in every war that mankind has caused or lived through, throughout the centuries. There are babies killed in Israel, when the Palestinian fighters send rockets there, also. Do two wrongs make a right? No.
There is wrong thinking on both sides of any war. If we, or anyone else, cannot admit that, then there will never be peace.
Israel has every right on this planet, to have a homeland, just like ALL people do. Until that issue is settled, you will have no peace. You, nor I, can expect or desire any people to become extinct or all be killed off, because we happen to disagree. And.. the tiny piece of land that the Israeli's have is just that... a TINY piece of this planet. And much of what was given to them, has been taken away and given back to those who seem to think they hold claim to every square mile of land they've ever walked upon.
My own opinion is that if you want peace... let Israel live. Leave them be and they'll leave YOU be. What is so hard about letting them have the TINY piece of this Earth, we all call home? What is so hard about turning from hate?
If we wish to continue this discussion... I will speak next on the Muslim's who joined Hitler, during WW2, in trying to wipe the "hated Jews" from the face of the earth. I can name names, provide photographs of the Muslim SS, who fought for Hitler.
You want peace? Then, like the song says... " All we can do, is give peace a chance."
Have a nice day, sir.
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 25/03/2008 16:02:50
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Thanks again for ur reply..and am just 19 . while am reading ur comment . i surprized ... sorry Sir.. but who r u to give israel our land so they can live on it.???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this land is a palestinian land we born on it and it belongs to our ancestors and fathers but JeW after Balfour Declaration who promot them to hav our home as a national homeland for them...( n the poor people they actually was living there wher they hav to go)... or only the mercy and blessing for people n forbidden for others.. no sir.. before years and years Jewish has no lands to live while our ancestor hav this land n they lived in it but (jewish) moved from country to another ... so u can't know more about my homeland n maybe the history u know is upsidedown so u don't hav the whole truth again, and even in internet can hav lies n lies.. am hurting while i hear that it's not our land am sir live in Gaza strip we lived here since a long time n there was no jewish except the palestinian jewish in whole palestine ( and am not talking about jewish who support us and againt Zionism but am talking about who support The Virus of Zionism, and i respect every human in this world jewish christian or whatever he belonges to as he or she ofcourse living peacfuly in their own lands.... thanks
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 25/03/2008 19:21:35
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If the Jewish people have NO land to call home, let me ask where they were ( in your opinion during the time of Christ AND the time of your Muhammed? Sorry if I misspelled the name. No disrespect intended.
I'm sorry, young man, but I have lived a long life as compared to you. I have seen and experienced much. Not as much as I would desire to experience, before I face my maker, but I am forced by circumstance like you, to do with what I have. Oh... and I, personally, did not give any land to anyone. Speaking of people who have lived "forever" in that area, I will do some more research, because I believe there may be some error in thought here.
Of course... you must realise... you are talking to a man who claims no particular religion, per se, but I am still a believer in Christ. But..we are not talking religious belief anyway... we are discussing a tiny piece of the Earth, where people refuse to accept one another.
So .. just a matter of curiosity .. seeing as we will probably not agree on the issue of Israeli's rights to have a homeland. Where would you suggest they be allowed to live? I am not talking of Zionists. I am talking of human beings, to whom I see images and statements made by Palestinians, that they are bred from monkeys or pigs?
To call any human being a "VIRUS", does not seem to be logical, coming from a person who belongs to "the religion of peace". Am I wrong with this line of thought? But.. thank you for enlightening me in the fact that there are two kinds of Jewish people. This, I was not aware of.
I will look back here later or tomorrow, as I am tired and need my rest.
Have a most awesome day, sir.
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 26/03/2008 01:24:24
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Sir .. why we should find a homeland for them..??!!! . why the other peoplewho support them can't take them there in their countries Like USA n UK speically .... are we their parents, but sir they cam and forced thoutands of people to be homeless (refugees) are they less than jewish to hav a land the original people of this land the owner of this land .....
and why not zionism not a virus. virus is a bad organism make diseases .. and zionism is a wrong thing and am talking about the word andwht it holds in it's meaning noti mean people but people who withn support bad thing are like wht they support, u can't talk about bad thing except by bad way no way this is from the nature...
something not belongeto u why d u kill people for it...
palestinian refugees live in most of the countries but they always are dreaming to come to palestin and die in it n buried in it..
thanks
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 26/03/2008 01:38:02
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http://www.palestineremembered.com/
i wish u to visit this site..
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 26/03/2008 01:43:12
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Good evening, my Palestinian "friend". I am nearing my bed time and have had a very tiring day, but I wanted to leave with one thought for you.
The land that you and the Israeli people live upon, has been there for centuries. Jerusalem was there and occupied by the Jews, clear back to the days of and before Jesus, or your Muhammed, even walked the Earth. The Western Wall, is a part of the Jewish Temple, built long before your people ever settled into lands taken by the Ottoman Empire.
With that said, and in all due respect for both of us, how can you say that the Jews never belonged there nor have ever lived there? Is it your Islamic religion that teaches this? Please educate me, in this matter.
Our discussion has caused me to research, deeply, into what is REALLY going on in the Holy Lands. I find it deeply disturbing, that any Faith could cause so much hate. I find it disturbing to see your children, wrapped in bombs and dedicated to the destruction of Jews and other "infedels", of which, I suppose I am a member...seeing as I am a Christian.
Have a pleasant day, sir. I look forward to continuing this discussion, in as civil a manner as each of us, can contribute.
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 26/03/2008 01:44:47
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Thank you for the link to that website. I assure you, I will check into it. As I am currently deeply involved with finding "truth".
Thank you.
Again.. have a most pleasant day, my young friend.
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 27/03/2008 13:14:23
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Hey.. well.. this land is homeland for many prophets so we can't lie about this issue and Islam is our vision which we look to know more about this world the past and even the future n ofcourse now... islam is a way of life sir it's not a religion.. it can teach u huge thing from the simplest examples in it .. so you hav to know it sir if u knowledgable enough as u said and i asked u to know more about islam but true islam not bad vision .. and u will find wht islam mean sir...
n back again to peace, sir if we believe in this word again we could make the peace we looking for since a long time , but cauze it has no result on the land so it's just in ur dreams... the purpose of make this land a national land for jewish only and only there is no christian or muslim. whtever he was.. only just jewish.. n they won't be enough with land but they will extend n u will see. so we hav to stop this thing before it can desrtoy all of us.. thx
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 27/03/2008 17:48:59
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Hello, sir. I am still taking my time and looking through and reading some sites.. the one you sent me the link to and some more, that I have found on my own.
I am doing my best, to look at both sides of this issue. Not only through religious belief of both your peoples there, but from historical aspects, also.
I wish for you to know, that I mean no offense to you or Islam, in any of my comments, as I am still studying further, both yours and the Jewish way.
As a man who has seen war and experienced it, myself, I understand certain confusion from the perspective of "outsiders" such as myself....especially on this topic.
From the perspectives I have read, so far, from both sides of the issue, you both have what seems to me, valuable opinion and honest feeling in your writings.
I am not here to completely judge you, the Jews, or anyone else. As, I dislike being judged for my belief, my religious belief or anything else...much as you.
Take care. I will be reading more. I hope your day is safe and peaceful. As I do, for your enemies.
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