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hello every body
i respect christians very much becos i was christian and a pastor one day but i must tell the truth to u , even if this truth is against me

1-According to bible ( Jesus was sent to give the world a sword not peace ) Matthew10 : 34
But according to THE HOLY QURAN (Mohamed was sent to give the world peace ) Quran 21 :107

2-According to bible , Jesus is a curse and cursed god ( Galatians 3 : 13 )
But according to the HOLY QURAN Jesus is a blessed prophet ( Quran 19 : 31 )

3-According to bible , Virgin Mary is merely described as a woman , though she is a mother of your god Jesus ( john 2 : 4 )
But According to the HOLY QURAN Virgin Mary is described as saintly and God made her pure and preferred her above all women of the world ( Quran 3 : 42 )

4-According to bible . the fact that Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus by the holy spirit was revealed to only one man , Joseph her fiancé ( Matthew 1 : 20 )
But According to the HOLY QURAN, her virginity was made clear to all people ( Quran 19 : 29 )

5-According to bible, Jesus your god used to sleep (Matthew 8 : 23 ) , but According to the HOLY QURAN God can't sleep ( Quran 2 : 255 )

6-According to bible , the devil attacks your god , Jesus , and deprive him of food and drink for 40 days , and commanded Jesus to worship him ( Matthew 4 : 8 )
But according to the HOLY QURAN , the Satan is called ( khanas ) = the one who escapeth when the name of God is mentioned (Quran 114 :4 )

7-According to bible , Jesus didn't say ( worship me ) , besides , when a woman asked Jesus :( whom must I worship ? then Jesus told her :worship god the father ?( john 4 :21 ) surprisingly enough , Jesus himself used to worship god the father ( Matthew 26 :36 )
So Jesus is not a god .

8-According to bible , ( God can't be a man because man is liar ) numbers 23 : 19
Jesus is a man) acts 2 : 22 ) the bible says
So Jesus is a liar because he was a man and that is why Jesus can't be a god

9-Bible says ( the only true god and Jesus ) john 17 : 3 but it doesn't say ( the only true god who is Jesus ) so Jesus is different from the only true God

10-According to bible Jesus is a prophet ( Luke 24 : 19 )
According to the HOLY QURAN Jesus is a prophet ( Quran 3 : 49 )

11-According to bible , Jesus said ( I can't do anything by myself , I only do the will of my father ) john 5 : 30
But According to the Holy Quran god does what he wanteth and willeth (lo ! the LORD YOUR GOD does what He willeth ) Quran 11 : 107

12-According to bible , Jesus is so poor that he doesn't have the place where he lays his head ( Matthew 8 : 20 )
But According to the Holy Quran God is the owner of everything in heaven and earth (Quran 2 : 107 )

13-According to bible , Satan has control over the whole world ( including believers and non believers ) 1 john 5 : 19
But According to the Holy Quran, Satan has control over the unbelievers ( Quran 16 :99 )

14-According to bible , there are birds with 4 legs ( Leviticus 11 : 20 ) , can you name these birds? .
But According to the Holy Quran ,there are animals with 4 legs ( Quran 24 : 45 )

15-According to bible , god raised the heavens upon pillars ( job 26 : 11 )
But According to the Holy Quran , god raised the heavens without pillars ( Quran 13 : 2 )

16-According to bible , the earth has 4 corners ( Ezekiel 7 : 2 ) . the question is : if the earth is round , how can it have corners ? the earth can have corners only if it were square , but since the earth is round , it can't have corners
But According to the Holy Quran , God recoiled the earth ( Quran 79 : 30 )

17-According to bible , there are 24 thrones in the heaven mounted by elders ( revelation 4 : 4 )
But according to the Holy Quran ( there is only one throne mounted by the only one God ) Quran 7 : 45

18-According to bible ,the sun and the moon were shining at the same time ( Joshua 10 : 13 )
But According to the holy Quran , the sun shines and sets then the moon follows ( Quran 91 : 2 )

19-According to bible , there are 4 beasts surrounding the throne of God ( revelation 4 : 6 )
But according to the HOLY QURAN , only angels are surrounding the throne ( Quran 39 : 75 )

20-According to God , we Muslims must purify and wash ourselves before we touch the Holy Quran ( Quran 56 : 79 ) so the question is : where does it say in the bible that Christians must wash themselves or purify before touching the bible ?!!!!!!!!!!!

21-According to God , we muslims must read the holy Quran ( Quran 73 : 20 ) so the question is : where does it say in the bible that Christians must read bible ?!!!!!

22-According to Quran , we Muslims have to listen when someone else reads the holy Quran ( Quran 7 : 204 ) so the question is : where does it say that Christians must listen when anyone read the holy bible ?!!!!!

23-According to God , the Quran is holy (Quran 56: 77 ) so the question is : where does your god say that bible is holy in your so called holy bible ?!!!!!

24-According to God , the HOLY QURAN is the best remedy ( Quran 17 : 82 ) so the question is : where does it say that the bible is a remedy ?!

25-According to bible , god separated day from night ( genesis 1 : 4-5 ) but According to the HOLY QURAN God connected day to night and there is no separation between them ( Quran 31 : 29 )

26-According to the Holy Quran , God has made THE HOLY QURAN easy to read ( Quran 54 : 17 ) so the question is : where does it say in bible that your god ( Jesus ) has made bible easy to read

27-According to the holy Quran , God commands Muslims to ask God for help during reading The Holy Quran so the Satan can't confuse the meaning of the verses of the Holy Quran ( Quran 16 : 98 ) so the question are there any verses like that in your bible ?

28-According to God , the HOLY QURAN is a guide to the believers ( Quran 2 :2 ) but the bible was not a guide to the believers like Judas scariot who was carefully chosen by Jesus to be a disciple and betrayed Jesus ,so bible was not a true guide to him

29-bible is what jesus said and did , surprisingly enough , luke was not a disciple of jesus to see what jesus did or hear what jesus said , so how did luke write the bible ? and it says ( gospel of luke ) but it doesn't say gospel of jesus or gospel of god , so bible is word of man rather than word of god

30-bible commands people to cut off sex organs to enter the kingdom of heaven ( there are some ppl born without sex organs and others cut off their sex organs to enter kingdom of heaven if u do this it is better for u ) matthew 19 : 12
But the holy quran says ( don't change ur bodies for this an act of the devil ) quran 4 : 119

31-jesus said ( peace makers are sons of god ) matthew 5 : 9
jesus says ( if u don't have a sword , sell ur clothes and buy a sword ) luke 22 : 36
so jesus was not peace maker so jesus is not son of god

32-According to bible , your god , jesus has a father and a mother ,but According to my HOLY QURAN my God has no relative unto him ( quran 112 : 4 )

33-According to bible , God was beaten and defeated by Jacob in the old testament ( genesis 32 : 24 ) Also your god , jesus was beaten and crucified on the cross .
But According to the holy Quran ( God is the all powerful over his creatures ) quran 6 : 18 so the question is : which god do u need , the Islamic God ,or the powerless ,miserable christian god

34-Muhamed is lamp (= light ) in the HOLY QURAN but jesus is lamb (= beast ) in bible , so quran respects Muhamed but bible disrespect jesus

Muhamed , the prophet of islam , used to marry ,so he is not a sinner but the biblical prophets like David used to commit adultery
(2 Sam. 11:2-27).

35-According to bible , you must stone to death the child who is being rude to his parents (Deuteronomy 21 :18-21 ) and the bull which butts people with its head ( exodus 21 :28 )
But according to the Holy Quran , you must stone to death the husband or the wife who commit adultery .

36-According to bible, Jesus is the king of saints ( revelation 15 : 3 ) but according to the holy Quran , God is the king of all people ,saints and non-saints ) Quran 114 : 2

37-According to bible , God didn't know where Adam was and kept looking for him in the paradise saying , Adam where are you ?. ( genesis 3 : 9 )
According to the holy quran , God knows about every atom or less than an atom in the heaven and the earth ( quran 10 : 61 )

according to Jesus , ( I and my father are one ) john 10 : 30 but Jesus didn't say ( I and father and holy spirit are one , so trinity is false because it loses important part in the trinity ( holy spirit ) because u can be forgiven if u blaspheme against the son but u can't be forgiven if u blaspheme the against the holy spirit ( Luke 12 : 10 ) )

quran or bible , which is better ?

The one that is the Truth.

hello my brother
of course the Holy Quran is the truth one because (truth ) is one of the many names of the Holy quran that God used to describe quran ( quran 39 : 32 ) surprisingly enough , quran = truth = 5 letters

of course bible is the lying one because bible says about it self it suffered many additions and omissions by the lying pen of the scribes ( jeremiah 8 : 8 )
bro aftering clarifying everything to u , it is up to you to decide bro , i respect you indeed and every other christian , we are all brothers and sisters od our father , our mother eve
good day for u
yours sincerely
vicar

Vivar wrote:

it is up to you to decide bro , i respect you indeed and every other christian , we are all brothers and sisters of our father , our mother eve
good day for u
yours sincerely
vicar

Thank you. Same to you, Vicar.

of course bible is the lying one because bible says about it self it suffered many additions and omissions by the lying pen of the scribes ( jeremiah 8 : 8 )

vicar, do you not understand what you are reading? Verse 9 helps explain verse 8. Do not ever take one verse alone. In context always. :D

Jer 8:5-9 KJ2000 Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding? they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return. (6) I hearkened and heard, but they spoke not aright: no man repented himself of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? everyone turned to his own course, as the horse rushes into the battle. (7) Yea, the stork in the heavens knows her appointed times; and the turtledove and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the law of the LORD. (8) How do you say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly he made it falsely; the pen of the scribes made it a lie. (9) The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?

The law of the Lord - The “Torah,” or written law, the possession of which made the priests and prophets so boastfully exclaim, “We are wise.”
Lo, certainly ... - Rather, Verily, lo! the lying pen “of the scribes” hath made it - the Law - into a lie. The mention of “scribes” in this place is a crucial point in the argument whether or not the Pentateuch or Torah is the old law-book of the Jews, or a fabrication which gradually grew up, but was not received as authoritative until after the return from the captivity. It is not until the time of Josiah 2Ch_34:13 that “scribes” are mentioned except as political officers; here, however, they are students of the Torah. The Torah must have existed in writing before there could have been an order of men whose special business it was to study it; and therefore to explain this verse by saying that perhaps the scribes were writers of false prophecies written in imitation of the true, is to lose the whole gist of the passage. What the scribes turned into a lie was that Law of which they had just boasted that they were the possessors. Moreover, the scribes undeniably became possessed of preponderating influence during the exile: and on the return from Babylon were powerful enough to prevent the restoration of the kingly office. That there should be along with the priests and Levites men who devoted themselves to the study of the written Law, and who in the time of Josiah had acquired such influence as to be recognized as a distinct class - is just what we should expect from the rapid progress of learning, which began with Elisha’s active management of the schools of the prophets, and culminated in the days of Hezekiah. Jeremiah’s whole argument depends upon the fact that there were in his days men who claimed to be “wise” or “learned” men because of their study of the Pentateuch, and is entirely inconsistent with the assumptions that Jeremiah wrote the book of Deuteronomy, and that Ezra wrote parts of Exodus and the whole of Leviticus

hello savdgeezer
if Adam is firstborn son of God ( luke 3 :23 ) and Ephraim is firstborn son of god ( jeremiah 31 : 9 ) so it is not fair or just on the part of god to sacrifice jesus ,his also-firstborn-son of god to save people who lived during the new testament time and but didn't sacrifice his firstborn sons Adam and Ephraim during the time of the old testament , does that mean god wanted to save ppl of new testament but not ppl of old testament ? so this is ill treatment on part of god , but since god is not unjust , God didn't sacrifice jesus nor Adam nor Ephraim

Vicar,

I don't have a clue as to what your agenda is. I have seen you quote many scriptures from the bible, but I have yet to see you do so in correct context. I don't know how anyone could be more erronious. Ex.: [b]Luke 3:23 has nothing to do with "Adam being the first born of God".[/b] Beginners know Adam was the first man "created" by God. He was not God's son, nor does the bible say anywhere he was.

But I know you MUST already know this...

If ever you sincerely want to discuss the Bible, I'd be happy to accommodate.

vicar, here are some answers.
First, God had a sacrificial system in place for the atonement of sin through the use of animals, so there was no need for the sacrifice of a man under the old covenant. There was no man pure enough.

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Second, Ephraim is just another word used in that verse to mean the children of Israel.
Ephraim--the ten tribes no longer severed from Judah, but forming one people with it.
my first-born-- (Exo_4:22; Hos_11:1; Rom_9:4). So the elect Church (2Co_6:18; Jam_1:1

.

Jesus is the life , the truth, and the way, and no man comes to the Father except through Him.

It's not about which one is better, it's about which one is the truth right? It's really easy to drop the Bible and dive into the Quran because sin isn't an issue there. Ironically, you wouldn't be escaping the consequence of sin, but would be suppressing the truth in wickedness right?(Rom.1:1

I know you make a lot of references to physical cleanliness and ask why the Bible doesn't have such passages, but the Bible stresses the fact that man is defiled by what comes out of his heart and nothing else. Islam teaches that by doing ''these many good things'' you will see Allah one day. The Lord God of Israel states that our good works are as filthy rags to Him. Every other religion/faith will tell you to do do do! Christiniaty is the only faith that can be summed up in one word, done...''it is finished''. Mohammed became rich from raiding caravans (theft...bringing peace?) and taking money from his followers. Jesus deplored money and taught to give rather than to receive. To be honest you make so many claims seemingly without understanding, using verses taken out of context and extorting them=/...it's difficult to respond to all that, lol. In the end the Lord God does say He is the one true God and there are none beside Him!
Frankly, after reading points 30 and 35 it would seem to me that you were never a christian to begin with, it is impossible that you do not know the meaning of these scriptures and claimed to have been a christian, the difference between the law and its application and the saving grace of Jesus Christ and its application...Paul makes this distinction very clear...and you were a pastor??? And point 33, our weak miserable God. If you were a christian, you should have understood that man is so desperately wicked it took the death of God's own son to amend our sins. You claim Jesus is weak? Have you not forgotten that Jesus conquored death? Does this not prove that Jesus is more than a mere human, for Mohammed's bones went to the ground like every other man. Oh and just to let you know. the Quran asserts that the world is flat, might want to research that!

BTW, I just thought I would add one more interesting point

I once saw a testimony (video) of a muslim who had grown in the faith of Islam and was thought to be a gifted prodigy. As an adult he had the habit of going through the Quran cover to cover several times a week. He explained he had certainly gained the ''power'' of Islam. However, his conversion to becoming a christian began when he had a demonic encounter. Why could this happen?...

''But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,'' 1 Timothy 4:1 (New American Standard Bible)

This verse is very literal and that man's experience justify just that. You want to tangle with a twisted doctrine then you're tangling with a demon. Be very careful, the Bible said it not me!

hello Matt
i'm sorry Matt becos i wrote Adam is son of god ( luke 3 : 23 ) but i was supposed to write Adam is son of god ( luke 3 : 38 ) i 'm sorry becos i forget the correct number . that was becos of the huge number of mistakes in bible and i promise to always to take care the next time , but since you are christian you by birth ( oh so long time ) you should already know the number of verse ( adam is son of god ) even if i didn't write the number
yours faithfully
vicar

[quote=vicar.ofchrist]hello Matt
i'm sorry Matt becos i wrote Adam is son of god ( luke 3 : 23 ) but i was supposed to write Adam is son of god ( luke 3 : 38 ) i 'm sorry becos i forget the correct number . that was becos of the huge number of mistakes in bible and i promise to always to take care the next time , but since you are christian you by birth ( oh so long time ) you should already know the number of verse ( adam is son of god ) even if i didn't write the number
yours faithfully
vicar[/quote]

Good deal, Pal...

The passage refers to Adam as the "son of God", in context of the rest of scripture where he (Adam) is identified as God's "creation".

You might also like to know that anyone who "believes" in Christ, is ALSO a "Son" of God:

Galatians 3:26: For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

hello Matt
you wrote
1-The passage refers to Adam as the "son of God", in context of the rest of scripture where he (Adam) is identified as God's "creation".

2-You might also like to know that anyone who "believes" in Christ, is ALSO a "Son" of God:

3-Galatians 3:26: For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

A reply to these 3 points
1- if Adam is referred to as son of god ( luke 3 : 38 ) while he is god's creation , plz don't forget that jesus who is so-called son of god is also referred to as the beginning of god's creation ( revelation 3 :14 )

2-jesus gave us the sign of being a son of god ( peace makers are sons of god ) matthew 5 : 9 , he also said ( if u don't have a sword , sell ur clothes and buy a sword ) luke 22 : 36 , he also said ( i came to give u a sword not peace ) matthew 10 : 34 so jesus is not son of god becos he is not peace maker so the question is : how can jesus give u the honor of being son of god if he doesn't already have it ?! how can anyone give u something that he doesn't already have ?!

3- Believing in jesus is not a must according to bible becos the true religion is to keep yourself from being polluted by the world and help the widows , orphans ( james 1:26,27) , strangely enough , if you blaspheme against god the son , you will be forgiven ( luke 12 : 10 )

A reply to these 3 points
1- if Adam is referred to as son of god ( luke 3 : 38 while he is god's creation , plz don't forget that jesus who is so-called son of god is also referred to as the beginning of god's creation ( revelation 3 :14

Yes. Exactly... The "beginning of God's Creation", not creation itself.

John 1

The Deity of Jesus Christ
1(A)In the beginning was (B)the Word, and the Word was (C)with God, and (D)the Word was God. (The Word referred to here is Jesus, Vicar)
2He was in the beginning with God.

3(E)All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

4(F)In Him was life, and the life was (G)the Light of men.

5(H)The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [a]comprehend it.

2-jesus gave us the sign of being a son of god ( peace makers are sons of god matthew 5 : 9 , he also said ( if u don't have a sword , sell ur clothes and buy a sword luke 22 : 36 , he also said ( i came to give u a sword not peace matthew 10 : 34 so jesus is not son of god becos he is not peace maker so the question is : how can jesus give u the honor of being son of god if he doesn't already have it ?! how can anyone give u something that he doesn't already have ?!

The "Sword" Jesus speaks of here is the "Word of God", Vicar. The Word brings Truth to the world which it will rebel against. Therefore, he who lives by the sword will die by the sword. If you take a stand for Jesus, sooner or later there will be an earthly consequence you'll have to be willing to pay.

- Believing in jesus is not a must according to bible becos the true religion is to keep yourself from being polluted by the world and help the widows , orphans ( james 1:26,27) , strangely enough , if you blaspheme against god the son , you will be forgiven ( luke 12 : 10

Not according to God's Word:

Vicar? In my writings on my webpage here at snips is a folder entitled "Our New Identity In Christ. There is 12 chapters of an unfinished book there. It explores much of what you're talking about here and more. Instead of debating these things point by point without realizing the story (context) behind them, if you're struggling to make sense of the Bible, it's important your faith and premise be in the right place. I have each chapter listed there you can take one at a time, or you can download the zip file and tqake all 12 chapters with you. Please read them, ponder them, pray on them, then we'll discuss whatever you wish.

May God bless your quest for Truth.

Hello Matt
u wrote many things
1- the deity of jesus christ
reply
a)the bible says ( the only true god and jesus ) john 17 : 3 but it doesn't say ( the only true god who is jesus ) so jesus is different than the only true God .

b)jesus didn't say worship me in the bible besides when a woman asked him whom must i worship , then jesus said ( worship god the father )john 4 :21 , strangely enough , jesus used to pray and worship god the father (matthew 26 : 36 ) also he said ( my god my god why have u forsaken me on the cross ).matthew 27 :46 so jesus confesses that he has a god which means he is never a god .

c) bible says ( god can't be a man becos man is liar ) num 23 :19
bible says ( jesus is a man ) acts 2 : 22
so jesus is a liar becos he was a man and that is why he can't be a god .

d) jesus confesses that he is not God becos he is not good becos God is the only one good ( luke 18 :18 ).

e) after his people scorned him , jesus said (A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.) mark 6 :4 and if he were a god , he should have said ( a god is not without honour but in his own world )

2-in the beginning was the word ..etc
reply
the term ( word ) doesn't refer to jesus becos it refers to the command of god , bible says ( he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.) matthew 4 : 4 so (word ) means the command of god which means you can live only if God give u his word ( command ) to live , but not by bread u can live , there must be a command first . so when we say that jesus is word of god , it means that god gave Mary his word (= command ) to give birth to jesus without a father , the same case was with Adam who had no father , no mother so Adam has all priority over jesus to be son of god .

3-All things came into being through him and apart from him nothing came into being
a reply
jesus said ( i can do nothing by myself i only carry out the will of my father ) john 5 : 30 also bible says ( he is a man whose miracles was granted to him by God ) acts 2 : 22.

4- in him was life
a reply
how can jesus give u life if he needed someone else to raise him from the dead ) galatians 1 : 1 ?! and give him new life ?!
5- the sword jesus speaks of here is the word of God ,vicar
a reply

the sword is repeated throughout the bible 404 times and i don't think it refers to the word of god for example , bible says ( And one of them that stood by drew a sword, and smote a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear ) mark 14 : 47 and i don't think that ( sword ) in this verse symbolizes the word of god becos jesus blamed the man who did it .
but i agree with you , Matt that ( sword ) can be ( word ) only if u drop ( s ) from the (sword ) .

6- he who lives by the sword will die by the sword
you mentioned above that sword means word and word means jesus then the meaning as a whole if you live by jesus you will die by jesus then jesus can't give u life since u will die by him
plz Matt i respect u , so try to have deeper understanding of what u say
yours faithfully
vicar

Vicar,

Why would you post such an old and obviously un-original letter. This exact same letter has been all over the net many times already. I haven't checked it on Snopes.com yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was there.